Deep Transitions Research Project: #DTdialogue with Johan Schot and Mark Swilling

Jenny Witte |

With the first phase of Professor Schot’s Deep Transitions project drawing to a close, a broader community of scholars has been invited to (critically) reflect on the controversies and opportunities of the Deep Transitions framework to further test and validate its credibility. This initiative has been termed #DTdialogue as it calls for scholars with pertinent backgrounds to get engaged with the framework and the Deep Transitions research team. For all #DTdialogue contributions visit: 

In the latest #DTdialogue contribution, Johan Schot and Mark Swilling reflect on Professor Swillings well-received book called “The Age of Sustainability: Just Transitions in a Complex World” and relate the findings of the book to the Deep Transitions Framework.

Professor Swilling’s book, which Johan Schot describes as ‘an eyeopener’, is highly relevant to Deep Transitions research as it adds to it the notion of “Just Transitions”: an emphasis on the fact that a sheer green revolution that doesn’t put equality central will never prosper. Swilling furthermore takes on a Global South perspective, which remains underrepresented in the Deep Transitions framework, and tells the (South) African story as if it is a global one to provide people with a lens they might not be familiar with.

In their #DTdialogue, Schot and Swilling also address how to overcome inaction and why the notion of rage and toxic masculinity are crucial in relation to fighting climate change? Professor Swilling’s book attests that we live in historic times as he’s looking at different types of cycles from various points of view and confirms that they all converge at this point in time, deepening the understanding that the world needs to act now – but how can we act?

The entire interview can be found here:


The Deep Transitions research project evolves around the two well-received key publications by Johan Schot and Laur Kanger in which they formulate eight propositions that attempt to explain the emergence, acceleration, stabilisation and directionality of Deep Transitions (Schot & Kanger, 2018) and provide a historically-informed view on the co-evolution of single socio-technical systems, complexes of systems and industrial modernity (Kanger & Schot, 2019). For more information on the Deep Transitions research project visit: and join the debate by following @DTransitions2 and using #DTdialogue on Twitter.


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